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Roof and Ceiling Joist Positions in BISF House?

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(@mattcymru)
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Does anyone know the reason why the joists run side to side in a BISF house?
I always thought the standard was front to back?
I'm also looking for a picture showing the location of the steels if anyone has one?

Thanks!

 
Posted : 6 November 2013 4:12 PM
Ed (Senior Member)
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Thanks for the photo, it's just the type I was looking for for Matt to show the floor structure, and it pretty much confirms my rough calculations. The flue would have been on the far side of the divided frame area in your photo. It looks as though the hole has been covered in plasterboard or something white as there would have been no floorboards there originally. Also you can see that the beam that goes down the centre of the room looks as though it lines up with the vertical steel above the middle of the window.

What is that between the vertical steel stanchions in the window wall just below ceiling height? I never found anything like that. Is it some insulation you've put in?

Ed

 
Posted : 11 November 2013 8:59 AM
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Sorry to jump in so late on this discussion but whilst upgrading the pc to windows 8.1, I lost everything and had to reformat the lot and I'm still in the process of transferring my back files onto the laptop.
This diagram may help with the layout of the steels but sadly Ed it doesn't have any measurements. I've also gone through all the old original archive plans that I have but nothing shows the exact measurements which would be a massive help to everyone.

The image has been posted before but perhaps we could start to include some measurement on this image or a larger version if possible.

 
Posted : 13 November 2013 12:24 AM
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Oh btw Ed, I saw a post of yours regarding roofing etc on another site. I thought this image may have helped you out but you may already have it. The image is credited to Fuller & Sons and apologies for adding it here on Matts post but I didn't want to forget it.

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Posted : 13 November 2013 12:30 AM
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Hi Ed, I haven't got a fully exposed property to take any photos that may have helped and I can't get to many of my images right now due to data issues. What I can show you is the location of one large steel on the landing that may help you in working out your measurements / cut.
The doors shown lead to the back bedroom on the left and the front bedroom on the right.

bisf house landing floor joist1
 
Posted : 13 November 2013 12:40 AM
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Hi Marc, thanks for the photo. Strangely enough that is the exact same floorboard I have lifted! The only difference is that the pipes and cables pass under the beams not over them (I take it those are three copper 8mm microbore central heating pipes, like we have).

I think knowing the position of this beam and that there is one above the centre of the living room window from Grangey's photo, it's possible to calculate the position of the others with good confidence.

Ed

 
Posted : 13 November 2013 9:56 AM
(@mattcymru)
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do the wooden beams run through the steels?

 
Posted : 13 November 2013 11:07 AM
Ed (Senior Member)
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No, each timber noggin is separate. It's notched at the top and bottom so it fits into the I beam. If you took the floorboards and ceiling off you would be able to slide them backwards and forward along the steels.

 
Posted : 13 November 2013 2:31 PM
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Hi Matt
I will try to upload a video for you some time today and post a link to youtube showing the noggins. I tried to do it just now but kept getting an error and sadly as it's now 3.33 am I must get some sleep.
Regards

 
Posted : 14 November 2013 3:33 AM
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Posted : 15 November 2013 1:30 PM
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Hi Ed,

Sorry for the delay Ive been flat out working on this place.

Took the measurements tonight and from the most outer beam (outside wall beam) to the first inside been is 44", then each inner beam appears to be 42.5" on centre.

Hope this helps, if you need me to measure from any specific point do let me know

 
Posted : 17 November 2013 11:30 PM
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